4.11 – Sydney Joins an Alternative Religion
For today’s episode we knock off an item we’ve had on our wish list since episode 1! Also we discuss our personal criteria for what makes a cult vs a religion, whether or not if dreams have meaning, and when it’s ok to blast the music on your phone.
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TRANSCRIPT:
Welcome everybody to the today’s very special episode of the I Went Outside Today podcast. I’m one of your three hosts, Chris.
I’m Sheryl. I’m Sydney.
For today’s episode, we got to do something that has been on our to-do list from the very first episode. Sydney agreed to do it way back when we took her to her very first, I guess you could call it a cult, but Eckankar meeting.
I think they said they’re not a cult. That’s what a cult would say. There’s also what a not cult would say, so…
Unless they want to sound like they’re cool. Not a good litmus test. So it was an Eckankar meeting. I’ll just describe what Eckankar is. This is from their website. Eckankar, known as the path of spiritual freedom, path of spiritual freedom is in all capitals, is a spiritual path that guides individuals towards personal enlightenment through direct personal experiences with the divine, divine also capitalized. It emphasizes the value of inner truth and the unique journey of the soul, teaching that each individual is soul, an eternal divine spark of God. In Alberta, the Eckankar community warmly invites you to explore a variety of spiritual events tailored to foster this deep personal connection with the divine within. From engaging workshops and discussions to soul-stirring chants and community gatherings, these events are designed to support you on your spiritual journey, offering insights and experiences that can lead to greater understanding and spiritual growth. Join us in Alberta to discover more about your true self and expand your consciousness through the loving, transformative teachings of Eckankar.
For the actual event we went to, it was called Finding Your Life’s Purpose, A Journey to Self-Discovery, and God Discovery. I’ll just also read a little bit more here off that website. So in quotes here. So what is the reason for living? Life is God’s blessing to each soul. You are here in this great laboratory of life to learn how to give and receive love. So the event, see how finding your life’s purpose can inspire you to give and receive God’s love in an always increasing measure.
Gotta get those year over year gains people. Teach you to gracefully take each step on your journey and open your heart in service to life. This is an Edmonton Open House event. All are welcome, so come share your experiences or just listen as we explore together.
How many people are at this event? So first of all, Chris was late after giving me our time for being late and then I was on time when Chris was late.
You see, when I’m late, it’s two minutes late and when you’re late…
We don’t need to get into the details.
I was at first. It’s about 45 minutes late. I was there first. Also mentioned, I did not tell Sydney what we were doing for this episode.
Which is rude. Congratulations, Chris. I’m giving you a clap. Yeah, so I was just sitting at a circle K being like, what are we doing?
While you were waiting at the circle K for all of two minutes while I wasn’t there. It was seven minutes. What did you think we were going to be doing?
I didn’t know, but I was annoyed because it was like I Ubered here. And the bus would have got me there at 111 and you said it couldn’t come at 111. So I Ubered there and it was two minutes early and then you were seven minutes late. I had no idea what we were doing, but when we went into the…
I assume you looked at Google Maps and tried to figure out what we were going to do.
I was at the fire station and I was like, are we going to visit the fireman?
Was that your hope?
I mean, I would have preferred it.
So you would do fireman training for an episode?
Oh, I wouldn’t do training, but like I want to sit in the truck and beep the horn. I think they reserve that for children. Yes, yes they do.
So anyway, I showed up. Sydney was very grumpy. Yeah. Because she was sitting outside the circle K on her phone.
Alone. By myself. Don’t you like being alone though? But not outside.
You could have gone inside the circle K.
I did. I got a water. I thought Chris was going to be in the circle K and then he wasn’t.
So… I showed up. I told Sydney we got to go. Your first cult meeting is now. And do you remember what your initial thought of which cult we were going to cover was?
I was trying to remember. I was like, surely not the staring people because that man is in some trouble for being a little creep guy. And then I was like, didn’t we say something about doing some chanting thing? So then, but I couldn’t remember like what it was called. So I was right because the ethnic art thing is the challenge.
So then we walked in and there is maybe seven other people there. Okay.
Also, he opened the door and was like after you to let me walk in first and I was like nice fucking try. If I walk in first, he’s just going to run out into the wilderness and leave me here and I’ll have no idea what’s going on. So I was like you first bucko.
That would have been hilarious. So getting too smart for your antics. So I made him go in first. Well done. So we went inside and do you remember how the room was set up, Sydney?
It’s just like a little like a little room with like a TV and chairs.
They have the chairs set up in a circle.
I remember thinking it was a nice look at each other. It was like clean fresh paint, clean carpet. It was like a nice setup.
Now was there anything on the front of the building that said Eckenkar or?
Yeah, but it was like over hung so I couldn’t see it. Okay.
I saw it and they had a big sign in the window. Okay. If you look at the Eckencar site, you can kind of see what their logo is. It’s just an E and a K in a big circle.
They had a big Eckencar. We showed up like right after some other guy was coming in through the door too. So we came in, we sat down in the circle of chairs.
Very nice. And at this point, what was kind of going through your head to me?
They had a big poster so I was reading it and I was like, what’s he got me into? And then it was just all about like your spiritual journey and I was like, I don’t have a spiritual journey. I don’t know what we’re doing here.
That was the start of your journey.
The start in the end. So I was just sort of waiting for context clues and then the guy looked at us and he was like, oh, like what made you decide to come? And I was like, I don’t know like this asshole. Like I don’t know where we are or what we’re doing.
You didn’t say any of that. I didn’t but I thought it. What did she say? Nothing. She said nothing. Oh, okay. I said, I said you were here with me because I had heard about it and wanted you to come.
Yeah. Emotional support.
I let people put it together. Yeah, that’s fair. I think some people thought emotional support.
They did because I later explicitly told them that.
So he wanted nothing to do with what was actually going on.
Because someone came past me and he was like, you’re a good sister for showing up for your brother. And I was like, I am a good sister. And then someone else was like, so your brother wanted to come and I was like, oh, he was nervous. I just leaned into it really hard.
Projection. Yeah. I was delighted.
So then what was the, like, did anyone talk to you guys other than the registrants when you sat down? Like, was the, when you sat down on the circle, did the other people just kind of keep to themselves or was anyone like super outgoing and chatting?
Some of the old timers of which there were many were a little chatty. But they did this thing where you all sit in the big row and then everybody says their name. So you go around a big circle.
And did you use your real names, Sydney?
She did. He sold me out. He said my real name first. So then I was just like, I hope they don’t ask for emails because how am I going to use my fake email? Chris is not good at being undercover.
I don’t think he’s as worried about the Eckencar feel contacting him as he is the Scientologist.
I know.
In plain sight, Sydney.
They did not ask for email. So it’s fine. Good job.
They did ask how long have everyone’s journey been with Eckencarfeel? So that’s where, that’s when I outed this was our first time.
We’re new we. And everyone else there had been there before?
I think so, yeah. Okay. Or maybe the one girl that came later, I don’t know if it was her first time or not. I don’t think she said. But like people kept coming late so it would have been fine to show up late.
But you would have been the latest
person because people just like trickled in and then every time a new person came in, we had to say her names in the circle again. I’m not a huge fan of saying my name in the circle.
You did it three times. Just like a spell. The next thing they told us was people described their journey with Eckencarfeel. Okay. And Sydney mentioned the lady who showed up last.
I did think it was interesting because when people first started talking about their journey, like they seem to make a big deal about how dreams are to inform you on what you’re supposed to do and you’re like you’re waking life. Right. And the first lady told a story about how she was driving a car like down a hill and up a hill and up the top of the hill. There was a woman in all in pink who said you should have taken the other path in her dream and the lady who showed up was almost entirely all wearing pink like bright pink. Whoa. I’m like is that the lady?
I didn’t even notice that. I didn’t even put that together because she had cool leggings with strappy straps and that’s what I was focused on.
Sydney’s a leg gal.
Different experience. Checking out those gams. I just like the straps. Settle down.
Settle down. So then obviously when they came to you guys you didn’t have really thing to add to the Eckenkar journey? We didn’t. No.
They asked what brought us there. And I made up a friend I have in California which is a half truth because I listened to the Ono Ross and Carrie. Like Sydney asked me later, like do you really have a friend you like came here? Yeah. By friend I mean a person on a podcast I listened to.
Uh huh. That’s cheating. Is it cheating though?
Tiny bit. There are a lot of crazy people out there who believe that the people they hear on podcasts are their friends so not really cheating.
I’m not anyone’s friend.
Rest in peace to all Sydney’s friends. Yeah.
I don’t think the lady who showed up late had to say anything about why she was there. She just sort of sat there and chewed her gum.
It’s a mysterious lady. Did she wait so did it look like she actually wanted to be there or did she seem like…
I thought like someone knew her. It seemed like she seemed less uncomfortable than me so…
She seemed a little distracted when I was like looking at her. Like she wasn’t making eye contact. She was like looking around the room.
Some people just don’t like to make eye contact because your eyes are for yourself and you don’t have to make eye contact if you don’t want to.
She wasn’t avoiding eye contact like you do.
That’s rude. She almost looked like she was trying to…
I don’t know. Wasn’t really interested in what was going on but we’re just looking around the room. It was strange.
Maybe she has a podcast too. Hey there.
We want to do a cross promotion.
Let us know who you were. Yeah from that description. I am. She knows.
That I’ve been considering there’s only one woman in pink at the entire event.
And plus the… Most of the meetings this group does is all online. Okay. So this is one of the few open house things they did which is why I was making a big deal about you going. Yes. Because we would have not had another opportunity and I don’t think you would have sat through what we sat through.
Online. If it was on the internet. Yeah. Oh yeah I would have left. For sure. For sure. So what happened next Sydney? What did we get to? I don’t know. Like there was like an agenda that like we’re going to share our spiritual journey experiences and then sing some songs and then there was going to be a video clip I think was the outline for what was going to happen. And then they kept explaining stuff to us because we had no idea what was going on. So they just told us a bunch of like the basic stuff and like wrote us a nice quote. And then.
They did say that there’s a lot of I can car specific terms that we likely won’t understand.
Yes.
And I’m like okay. I mean a lot of it like kind of grasped from context.
And then we did the chanting. They don’t even call it chanting. It’s called singing Hugh. So then we did that for a bit. Can you demonstrate the Hugh? No. I didn’t sing the Hugh out loud. I just did like an internal Hugh. So this is what it sounded like.
Well done. Yeah. That’s exactly how it sounded like when we were there.
That is how it sounded in person. The people are actually doing it for real. It was just people going Hugh. Mm-hmm. But it’s so weird that a bunch of people that are not trying to pitch match will end up kind of pitch matching. Yeah. So I didn’t mind that part. We did chanting at the sound bath thing I went to in season two and yelling which was good.
I did it for real because I’m not a coward like Sydney.
I did it internally because I can do what I want to.
So worry about yourself. I gotta say it’s quite an interesting sensation.
Yeah. It causes like reverberations in like your chest and head and I don’t know how to describe it. Mm-hmm.
Like there’s multiple senses the body has and one of it is sort of like your mental map of where extremities are. Yeah. And that sort of goes away. You kind of like lose it when you’re surrounded by people doing that. Yeah. Fair enough. Suppose if you wanted to do it at home you just sit real close to the microwave and then try and pitch match the electric motor.
I don’t know if you get the same boost from doing that.
You’ll need several microwaves. You might. Or convince your friends to do it.
Mm-hmm. But yeah the actual chanting part like pretty fun. Yeah.
And they said we’re going to do it for as long as it feels right.
So that ended up being like how long and it.
How long was it for a person who was just waiting for the day to end.
No that was the part I was the most fine with because I didn’t have to talk or do anything so I didn’t like five minutes. Okay.
Did it feel like an abnormally long space of time or did it kind of just.
I was trying so hard not to laugh. Because I realized Sydney wasn’t doing it and I was just thinking about how much you avoid interacting with people to such a degree. And I just couldn’t stop thinking about how funny it was.
They said that I didn’t have to if I didn’t want to. They said not they said you could do it internally.
And I’m glad that everyone had their eyes closed while they were doing this too because I was just like.
Oh I have my eyes open but I didn’t want to. Trying to restrain a smile. The whole time did you have your arms and legs crossed Sydney. That’s very rude.
Just my arms.
You’re fidgeting in your lap for so much of it too and I was just trying not to like laugh. I wasn’t fidgeting. You were fidgeting. Well. And I had a hard time not bursting out laughing.
I have the ad-hood. I don’t know what to tell you. I’m not a sit still guy.
So the whole point of the chat is it’s supposed to be a. It’s supposed to help you resonate with the power that flows all throughout the universe your soul and to God. So it’s supposed to connect you with a higher power. I think.
Yeah so I’ve actually done that sort of chanting in some meditation slash yoga classes that I’ve done. Okay. Yeah similar. Similar.
Yeah they did the same thing at the sound bath thing. Yeah. And everyone just like I do like the I like how it feels. Yeah. But I don’t necessarily need to do the chanting myself. Oh. I like to be chant adjacent.
You like to be a spectator. Yeah.
What are you afraid is going to happen if you chant.
I just don’t need to chant.
Are you afraid everyone’s going to stop and they’re going to be like not like that.
Well there is always that one person that’s like the last one doing it and it’s like oh shit everyone else has stopped except for me. So I don’t want to be that guy.
They said do it for as long as it feels right.
And I did it for as long as it felt right. Which is not at all. Which is zero. I did it internally and I demonstrated that so. You knew who I was before you took me to this thing so.
I know and I almost lost complete composure like multiple times. It’s just funny watching you be so uncomfortable in a room where everyone’s being like so inviting and like opening and like.
Everyone was extremely nice.
And you are like complete opposite. You were just like I do not want to be here.
I want to be a fly on the wall.
Yeah. Just like I don’t like to be perceived.
Why are you dressing all black to hide. But it doesn’t work in a room where a woman’s dressed in all pink.
It didn’t work in this room at all.
Can you explain what you’re wearing.
That’s what I’m just wearing clothes.
No yesterday this you’re wearing your exhausted shirt.
Oh yeah. That got some of you didn’t tell me where we were going. If I knew where we’re going I would have worn my barely functional shirt with a bear crying.
How many people were wearing black in that room Sydney.
I don’t own other clothes. I can’t just go by chanting clothes because you don’t like what I wear.
Sydney was the only one all in black.
That’s what I figured. I don’t even know what chanting clothes I’m looking at.
She’s technically currently the only one in black again.
I have orange on this shirt and another bear. This would have been a good shirt to wear.
And also to let you know how inviting this group was. Sydney can you explain the age ranges and backgrounds of everyone that was there. Older. Older. Every single one old. Oh yeah there was the two little kids. Younger. And then there was Sydney who didn’t want to be perceived.
Yeah. They didn’t want to be perceived. They said all are welcome so you get what you get and you don’t get upset.
So then after the Hu chanting what then where did you guys go from there. Songs. Singing.
Yeah. Group singing.
What kind of songs. Like popular songs but with the words changed. Okay. Yep. To be and all I could think about was how like the Westrop Baptist Church does that.
Yeah. And they did they took like bad romance and just made it awful but like hate and gay people were more or something. These songs were not about hating gay people so that was good.
They took green sleeves. Okay. It was one of them. And I sung along with it as best as I could because I could remember green sleeves. I didn’t know green sleeves. And the second one was Danny Boy. Okay. Which I’ve never sung that song before so just sort of like listening and trying.
That’s not an easy one to get a group of people to sing with various song abilities. I would not. I don’t know.
I could hear that. Yeah. Yeah. Cause like the guy who wrote his version of it he was not singing it how everyone else was singing. No. And I almost laughed at this time too because this is where I noticed Sydney was fidgeting a whole bunch. Whether like hands in her lap on top of the lyric sheet. That’s how I sit. And not singing.
I’m not a singing guy. And I don’t really know Danny Boy that well so. I didn’t even try. I didn’t even try. I sang. He did sing.
So when they’re saying lyrics were like changed up they were completely different lyrics or was it like similar lyrics but like they changed some of them.
You know I don’t know the words to either of them. Okay. But it was pretty much talking about putting your faith in God and using the Echin car.
Okay so then quite a bit.
Cause like I wouldn’t say it was like I was like in that episode of South Park where Cartman wanted to become a platinum selling Christian music. So we just took every song that had the word baby in it and changed it to Jesus.
It’s a good episode if you haven’t seen it yet it’s pretty good. I haven’t seen that. Well.
He takes like romantic love songs.
Yeah. That’s silly.
And he’s like confronted by the music judges at one point and they’re like it says here like it sounds like you love Jesus and he’s like yeah don’t we all love Jesus.
Like yes yes of course we do but it sounds like you want to make love to Jesus. That’s funny. But yeah it didn’t it didn’t read like it was a straight replacement. Okay good. I think he just used the tune. Yep.
I’ve definitely encountered that in other religious groups that I’ve been in so okay. Now it’s making sense.
Rip off artists. Mm-hmm. Every religion.
Cause it’s hard to write music so he may as well just take someone else’s song and replace all the words to it. That’s how weird Al made his career. It’s true. I think that’s how weird Al made his career. He’s good at it. So then after the singing which half of our team have participated in what did you guys do?
Group discussion, which I was not thrilled about.
So this is where they went around in a circle and they went like one, two, three, four. So all the ones sit together, two sit together.
And I fully had like PTSD flashbacks to like after school activities and high school where they make you do that. Like for a group project, I was like, let’s go, let’s leave.
And because we were sitting right next to each other, Sydney was suddenly on her own. Yeah.
You survived though. And well, I got put in the group with a leader, which I was like, I kind of wanted to just be in a group where other people would talk and I could just coast. Right. But I got put in the smallest group with a leader who’s gonna obviously try and get everyone else to engage in discussion. And I was like, fuck, this sucks.
So who should I ask about their group?
You know, Sonia and I haven’t talked about it. I wanted to save it for now. So we don’t know what each other’s experience was like at this point.
Okay. I just said that he dragged me there because he was nervous to come alone. And then they asked me if I had any like religious background and I said that we were born and raised Catholic and then I left the church at 13. And was not currently on a spiritual journey. That was basically the gist of it. Okay. Yeah.
So what was the group discussion prompt then? What was the group discussion prompt?
It was just like how you self-realized your spiritual journey or something like that.
Yeah, because the big thing about it is that…
I didn’t know we were supposed to be self-realizing our spiritual journey. It didn’t happen on my agenda.
It’s not like other cults where they decide the journey is the cult leader’s journey. This one’s very personal. Okay.
Well, I don’t think it is a cult. Honestly, I’m pretty… I watch a lot of shit about cults. And then like I did the landmark form.
This isn’t a documentary cult.
I’m just saying I did the landmark form which people also think is a cult. And something that really stuck in my head is like the leader of the landmark form was like the thing is we want you to leave. Like we want to improve your life and we don’t want you to come back because that means that we did our job. So I always look out for that if I think something might be a cult. Will they let me leave? And I just didn’t think it was very culty. I thought it was very chill.
I mean, I just took religious studies and my instructor does not like the word cult anyway. He prefers the word new religion. Interesting. Yeah. Why is that? Because cults is associated with a bunch of negative traits of religions. And those negative traits can be associated with any religion. So the only difference then between a cult and an established religion for the most part would be the age of it. There wouldn’t be really much of a difference because some of the older religions in the world use those exact same toxic, manipulative associations that the newer religions use.
Well, there is that Joe Rogan joke or something where he says the thing about a cult is everybody’s in it and one guy knows it’s bullshit. The thing about a religion is that guy’s dead. Yeah. Which I thought was funny. So I don’t know. I didn’t think it was very culty. Okay, good.
I’ll throw around the cult all day long.
Yeah, yeah. I’ll throw it as a cult. You think it’s a cult? Yeah. Hmm.
I mean, it’s got its own rituals and traditions and tries to distinguish itself from other faiths.
So does the Catholic Church? Yeah, they let you leave. Yeah.
Oh, so you’re like any religion is a cult? Oh, okay. Yeah. Right? That’s like your standpoint. Okay.
I’d say you get to be like a religion when you’re bigger, when you got momentum behind you. Like, you can be a musician or you can be a rock star. But both are, I mean, they’re doing the same thing. They’re both performers. Interesting. So there’s like different levels. There’s like your basic level and then there’s like, you’re hitting the big times level.
So then what would Scientology be considered? Scientology is a cult.
Because there’s less people in it now though. Yes. I think you can go back to being a cult. Okay. Which I think a lot of places are, you know those weird Catholic Church divisions coming up where they are very aggressive and evil. I think in some places you go back down to becoming a cult.
Okay. But Scientology is like, they use a lot of cult tax. So I don’t say most religions as a cult because I think like what defines a cult for me is like the practices and like the enforcement. So like Scientology had a lot of stuff in place for not letting you leave and they actively get you to a place where you can’t leave, right? Like they get you contributing your paycheck.
They get you buying all the books. And I think that a cult is predominantly about money in the end. Like all of like the Jonestown shit, all of the Heaven’s Gate stuff, it’s predominantly about money and power for one guy. So the Catholic Church, back to that.
Is more of a cult then? Yeah, because they require you to contribute something like 10% of your paycheck to the church every week.
Tides to the converts. I thought that was all Christian.
I mean it is most Christian religions.
Yeah. I don’t know. I guess I just didn’t see it as that cult-y.
Because they let us leave. And that is my witness test for a cult. Yeah, they didn’t isolate you from your friends and family. Where
like Scientology would have taken our emails. They would have called us, emailed us, all that kind of stuff. They would have tried to get us into it. They would have made us buy all the books. When we tried to advance, they would have said, Oh, there’s new books out. Buy all the books again. Like I just see cults as more of like that machine. Fair. Yeah.
That’s off topic though. Yeah. So they talked to Sydney and then Sydney was just like, I’m just here being a hero. Yeah.
Just being a good sister. Okay. Because Chris was nervous to go alone.
And they asked me why I was there. And? And I said that, like I’ve re-brought up the story that my lie, that I have a friend in California. And they’re like, yeah, but what made you come? So I brought up the other thing I usually tell people when I’m at some place where I wouldn’t normally be.
Yeah. Because I read the book Yes Man once. And that the people who say yes to things and create the opportunity for good things to happen. Did they like that answer? I don’t think they did. They didn’t really seem to, like, you know, looking someone’s eyes when you explain to it and like, it was the same look I had in my eyes, I’m sure when they were explaining why they were there.
The way they just don’t understand. Yeah. But it’s kind of like where I went from there because I was like, how did you guys get into Eckencar? Yeah. And you know how they say like people are more susceptible to cults or like changing their entire life or adopting like a new viewpoint life because they’ve just had some extreme situation happen in their real life. That was very much everyone else in the group. Okay.
Except for the one mom there with the kids because she was just raised in it. Oh, neat. One lady I talked to said she joined after a divorce. Okay. Another guy there was just, I don’t know, it was one of those like I was in a bad time in my life and I was about to destroy a church and then something knocked me on my back and I realized that there’s greater forces out there.
Whoa, about to destroy a church? That’s crazy. Yep.
He’s, I didn’t press him too much on it. I don’t know.
Yep, fair. You should have told him that we’re doing a podcast on it. I want to hear the rest of that story.
But he was ready to destroy the whole church and take it down. Wow. It was very much because the whole thing focuses on everyone’s personal journey. It’s very much an opportunity for people to talk about themselves on length about their journey. And then they both tried to like talk up Eckencar to me afterwards.
Oh, pulls you aside into the dark seedy corner. Wow.
I haven’t tried to talk me into it. One lady told me about another, she was like, I don’t want to push you away from this if this is what works for you. But she told me about another like spiritual awareness center that only meets like once a month. And I was like, that’s way more of my feed. Like every week is a lot.
Because they could tell you didn’t want to be there. You had your arms crossed and you were probably.
I’m allowed to have arms crossed.
You weren’t singing. You weren’t joining.
I was doing it internally. Yeah, but they couldn’t tell that. So all it looked like was you were unhappy being there.
That sounds like a problem with them and their misconceived perceptions of people. I just felt like we were going to get in trouble for being undercover. Oh, I was very stressed out. Oh, because we’re there for a podcast. Like it’s a bit sneaky. It’s okay.
Yeah, I mean, we’re we’re not gonna. I mean, at least I hope we’re not gonna throw them under the bus and portray them in a terrible, terrible light. They sound like nice people.
Yeah, they’re all like very nice. It was also made things extra funny that Sydney was even more reluctant to talk to them.
Yeah, so upset. Because when they were like, what are you doing here? I was like, don’t say podcast. And then just I was like, just shut up. Just fucking don’t say anything.
I guess stressed out real bad. I need to mentally prepare for lies. I wasn’t ready, but they were very nice people and there was fudge. How much fudge did you have? I didn’t have any fudge.
Was there a shout out to the own Ross and Kerry show again, but was there tea, coffee and beverages?
All of it. Yeah. And then the leader guy even said like, when do you guys have to take off? We’ll make sure that you get the snacks before you leave. Oh, like that’s really nice. And then I didn’t have any snacks. Chris, did you have snacks? No. He was talking to some guy. Okay. He made a friend.
Yeah, you made a friend too. I did make a friend. That lady you told you you might not like this, but this other place I go to. Yeah, very cool. But yeah, I did have a few people like pulling me aside, like trying to explain things to me.
Like I think they saw I was interested in being there, but I don’t think for the reasons why they were expecting were or even like, because they all had very personal reasons for being there. Right. That were more beyond curiosity. Okay.
Like they came to the church at a time where like they needed support and support or an answer. Yeah. And I’m just like, what’s this all about? Yeah, for tell me about yourself.
Mm hmm. I did get pulled aside by many people. There’s like one old lady and she’s like trying to explain to me the terms and the concepts. And I’m like kind of like what Sydney said, like this kind of reminds me of like being back in Catholic school and the teacher trying to explain to me what the messages in the Bible mean with like a lot of eye contact and nodding.
And like in my head, I’m like, none of this is hitting. No. She’s like, you know, we’re soul, right? And I’m like, I don’t know what you mean by that. And she’s like, that we’re not our bodies. We are soul. And I’m like, that we’re a soul that rides around in a body. And she’s like sort of that we’re reincarnated over and over again. So what we really are the soul and the body’s incidental. Okay.
It’s like a vessel. That’s interesting because if anyone tried to say like, oh, you know, we’re X to me. I would have been like, yeah, everyone knows that. It feels like threatened about like not knowing stuff that I just like knew it all along knew it the most.
And they’re also trying to explain how dreams are supposed to inform because dreams are the whole out going on here. But there’s different levels of reality and your soul exists on one. But when it’s in your body, the physical plane is different than the plane that your soul, I guess is native to. Okay. But your dreams are your soul trying to tell you things from a spiritual level onto the physical level. And that’s why they’re like, not very cut and dry.
So then they must do a lot of like dream interpretation or keeping dream journals or something like that to like interpret the dreams that they get. I would imagine. Yeah.
One of the other guys I talked to said like that’s what he does because you don’t sometimes you’ll get a message in one dream, but sometimes you’ll get a message in a series of dreams. And you keep a dream journal. You can see like a through line through all of your dreams about what the message may be.
I should have asked one time when I was quitting smoking, I wore nicotine patches to bed. I had horrifying nightmares about like the whole background was static and then a monster made of static cigarettes tried to murder me.
So that was your soul asking for more cigarettes.
I like woke up in a cold sweat. It was like and I still remember it was like one of those dreams that like fucking stays with you. I was like, don’t wear nicotine batches to bed or do because then you won’t wake up with cravings, but you will not sleep ever again. Did you share any of your dreams, Chris?
They didn’t want to hear them. They kind of just would talk about their dreams immediately after as for example.
That’s because I learned on a podcast, this American life podcast that dream chat is boring and no one wants to hear about your dreams. So you just keep that shit to yourself.
Well, I mean, this is a group that puts so much importance on dreams. Yeah.
But no one wants to hear. I think they said because the message, I mean, maybe because the message is so personal, they just avoid that conversation because you can get into the weeds. I had a dream that week about where I was cleaning up in the basement and in a box of cereal, I found a nest of bats and I wanted to bring that up as to what could my soul be trying to tell me. Bats don’t live in a nest so.
Well, I didn’t get an opportunity. They don’t live in breakfast cereal either. That’s true.
Touche. It was Rice Krispies. Touche. And on another shelf, there was a nest of mice.
But they’re in like a bird’s nest type thing. The bats were burrowed into the Rice Krispies.
Interesting mind. You have an interesting mind. So you did it share none of your dreams.
I didn’t get a chance, no. They wouldn’t want him. They gave me no opening.
Maybe you’re just supposed to jump right in and be like more forward than you were.
Just yell over top of everyone, what about my bat and cereal dream?
What does the Rice Krispies mean? Almost breakfast time. Dream chat.
Did you share any of your dreams with the group Sydney?
No, it’s only in hindsight that I should have asked about that cigarette monster name because that one really lives in my head rent free.
After the little mini group chats, we reformed our big circle. And we were supposed to watch a video clip from the original founder.
About miracles.
And just like Oh No, Ross and Carrie, they say the problem they run into. No one knows how to run the AV equipment. Ah, yes. They had it on the screen and then somebody pressed the button and then it was on the TV static.
And then at one point there’s three of them up there and then somehow managed to activate the function that gets your TV to scan for over the air TV channels.
Wow. And I was elbowing Sydney and you should help them.
Yeah, that’s why the other lady befriended me because Chris keep going help them help them. And I went we don’t do AV in my office. I’ve never done AV in tech support. And then she was kind of like also like what do you do? And it was like I work in IT and she was like, you tutor people and I was like, should I do tutoring people?
I mean, you can my I didn’t know that was a thing. My brother gets a whole bunch of like random baked goods and other things from my parents friends for helping them with it stuff.
I can’t imagine doing more IT than I already do. I hate it when anyone asks me IT questions.
Could you imagine having some fresh baked cookies?
No, because I got fat because you guys got me a whole pie for my birthday.
We helped you eat that pie.
We gave the whole thing. We kept the slice. But you still send me over like half a pie like this one of me I showed with mom. So anyway, I don’t need any cookies because I had all my birthday treats. But yeah, so that’s why the ladies started talking to me. Because they just like, oh, a young person that knows the computers. But then I was like, I don’t know how that TV works. Can’t help.
So they got it working, but then they couldn’t find the clip. So then they just decided to end things there. Nice.
Were there any books or anything for sale at the end of the event?
They almost had like a lending library and many people offered for me to take them home. Yes. But I was like, maybe next time. They offered us to take some pamphlets too, but…
No one offered me anything to take home.
Were any of their pamphlets like the ones we keep finding at the grocery store near our house? Kind of around the same size. Okay, but not the same content obviously. Didn’t get to look at the content. So how long were you there before? Was it like two hours?
Okay, hour and a half. Yep. Because it was supposed to last till three, but I think we got there a little bit after 230.
Yeah, because we had to get the bus. And then we spent a thousand years on the bus. That’s why I brought a book. I had audio books, but I thought it would be rude, so I just sat in silence. And then someone got on the bus and they were playing music just fully out of their phone. Yeah, that happens. And it was music that I like, so I wasn’t super annoyed, but also I was like, I would never do that. Yeah.
You should have got his number.
And also he was playing… You like the same music you do. He was playing the Panic at the disco song, like we were just playing 21 Guns by Green Day. Yeah. And then he’s playing the I Write Sins Not Tragedies by Panic at the Disco.
Yep. So it was like, Brandon Uri’s about to just say whore on this bus in front of all of these people. And then he didn’t even care. We were on White Ave. Yeah. It was shocking.
You could get off the bus and hear someone yell out whore.
That’s true. Where do you guys stand on blaring music out of your phone?
I don’t even like talking on the phone in the bus, so…
I would never. I would never.
Only when I’m doing yard work.
Oh yeah, like if I’m… But not on a bus.
No, not on a bus. Not in a shared space. Not on a hike. Not in.
Well, I’ve done it on a hike, especially if I know there’s bears in the area.
I did it on that one hike because I had anxiety and I thought you were leading me to my death. So I play the Hamilton soundtrack.
When you work at a summer camp where there’s bears in the area, you teach a lot of the kids to sing songs while they’re hiking to scare away all the bears.
Yeah. That was it. We made our escape. I turned to Sydney and I was like, do you have to go now? And Sydney was like, yeah. Well, I said in 10 minutes. It was the mingling time.
Mm-hmm. That Sydney did probably not want to engage in.
But I didn’t want to like duck out immediately because they were so nice. So I was like, oh yeah, in 10 minutes. And then I was just like looking up the bus times.
So you didn’t chat with anyone?
I chatted with that lady that asked me if I did IT tutoring.
That lady just kept asking Sydney questions. Yeah. She was the driving force of the conversation, not Sydney.
Which is always the case. So.
Would you guys recommend other people go to these events? If you’re interested in it.
I think if you really need answers to life’s big questions, like immediately this could be a good outlet because it’s not like they’re there to tell you what it is. Right. It’s more so everyone has their own personal journey and it’s up to you to listen to what your soul is saying. Mm-hmm.
So I could see that being better than your regular old cult that just tells you you don’t have a name anymore. Put on this potato sack. That’s right. Shave your head.
Well, I was going to say, like they didn’t ask us for any money or any personal information. So it’s not the worst thing you could do. Mm-hmm. I don’t think it’s harmful. And I think the chanting was fun.
It was nice to be, I said I like to be chant adjacent. Adjacent to the chants.
Sydney would rather be the cult leader.
Yes. Chant for me. You don’t want to be in my cult though. It would be exploitative. I would take all of your money and buy jewels and just have a jewel room.
You heard it here first folks. Don’t join Sydney’s cult.
Unless you want to contribute to the jewel room. Yeah. I did like the Hu. Yeah. Something different when you’re in a whole group of people and you’re all making like the same noise.
Mm-hmm. There’s a George Carlin album where it’s like everybody put your thumb in your mouth and make a popping noise. And everyone goes like, and it sounds like a whole bunch of like ping pong balls dropping everywhere.
And he’s like, isn’t that awesome when everyone, a whole lot of people do that at once. Mm-hmm. It’s a little bit like that. Yeah, sure. I like that.
So thank you for joining us on today’s episode. This is the third last episode. Two more after this. Yeah. So for those of you who still want to listen to Chris and I for now, you can start following our new podcast. We’ve started the Probably Cursed podcast. It can be found on the same platforms that you listen to our current podcast. Doing them curses. Mm-hmm. Probably.
Probably doing them curses.
Yeah. And Sydney may or may not join us on one of our future episodes. Maybe. Sheryl and I have already been throwing around like episode topics we think would be perfect for you to sit through and react.
I don’t want to get haunted though. Haunted by what? Probably cursed things.
Have you even listened to our podcast? I have not.
I don’t even listen to this podcast, so don’t take it personally. I kind of gotten over my head with audiobooks from the library, so I just haven’t had time.
You also don’t even look at our social media. I do if it comes up. In my feed.
Social media is like dream chat. You just want to put your noise in the world, not look at other people’s noise.
I see. Well, then don’t look at our Instagram page. Why?
Mm-hmm. What did you do? Do we have Instagram? Yes. Okay.
For about four years now.
Well, that brings us to the end of the episode. This is your host, Sheryl, signing off. This is Chris. I’m Sydney.
I did the thing. Bye. Bye.
Bye.